In the car release and on the radio at work listen on line at WBM dot com. It's hard line on news radio 930 WB and good morning I'm Dave -- Joining us for the next half hour governor David Paterson from Albany later today the governor is expected to announce across the board cuts to try and bridges the gap -- he's been wrestling with with the legislature in Albany. Over the entire state budget. And the governors agreed spend some time with us governor I don't know photos saying the polls that we can say you're popular person but almost all the lines are filled we have one line open a little bit later will be taking calls. 8030930. But I doubt I'm awfully sensor that can spare the time this morning. Well thank you David great to be on the show. Tell me what the announcement will be at noon if you can preview it let a little bit of that cat out of the bags -- I think I can do that says WB yet. Simply. New York State will become insolvent at the end of the month if we try to make our payments the way we would make them an -- This is the first month in state history. Where -- cash. Balance. Will be less than our obligation. And in order to address that. I am going to reduce payments. To. A number of areas. Star payments to school district. Payments to local government. Payments to human services payment to service providers. And gonna do that across the board. So that. Within the legal limitations of this action. And that's the only way will be able to meet our obligations in the month we are billion dollars in deficit. And people talk about using the rainy day finding using these short term -- -- simple -- how -- -- is that we're gonna need them to clear. Some of it up. And then I'm going to try to cut about 750. Million dollars they're not cut. And it is not and how it is just. Delaying payments five load over lowering the certification number that will go out that what would have normally gone now. Okay so if school districts or hospital start complain here. I think I just -- an argument that says eventually they will get all their money just not now while we're in the straits. Well technically if you make this kind of delay. These and these are still owed the money as these you can legally. Withhold it is because you have no. And it says life in the budget process it's written. That there can be no. -- without the certification on the budget director of the budget director gets to look to see. If we have the money if we don't that we have to reduce it. And other governors have tried this a few times and got struck down by the court because the other governors couldn't resist. Cutting that they wanted to cut and not cutting what they they didn't cut will do is we'll cut across the board. And just evenly which is very difficult because now you're good government and an act and not a scalpel. And what should that happen. That the legislature should have come and reduce the deficit as -- and I 3.2 billion dollars if they had. We wouldn't be in this situation but they didn't they came within a half billion dollars short. Well what we all agreed. With the money that. We needed and they borrowed nearly half billion dollars from the 2010. Stimulus money. Borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. Which doesn't help you when you're trying to take debt at the end of the month which is where we are. Tell me how much across the board of its going to be an an even pretty much acts rather than a scale. I think I'll give this specific separate press conference later on but they will. They will oddly enough. Not be as. It would not be as. Domestic is that we just didn't pay somebody which is the only other alternative when when you -- A hundred dollars and you have ninety dollars. The only way to create the other ten dollars. Is to find something that you're spending and reduce it is the only way to do it every body that. Had a credit card -- been in a family you're. Have a wallet is aware of that problem. For the sake of this year will these cuts be enough for deeper foresee further action after this. For the sake of this year this will be enough. Then what was gonna have to do is to replenish our short term investment but. -- veto this money we keep around for emergencies. The rebate on which we should never touch it all. Only interact in a catastrophe. September 11 type situation our country is being attacked by yet terrorists. But we've had to do it here because. The legislature gave us. Well I'll let that we wanted and and you've got legislative running around coming back to the district's single or stop the government from cutting school -- but the reality is other states have found out. When -- state becomes insolvent nothing good happens. Whether it's a school district and local government and that's where we are I think. Perhaps people. Thought that. When I was warning about the daily reckoning that it was some sort of -- far it's the absolute truth. The controller affirmed that the ratings services know it's the case. And the other states that ignored it are now going insolvent state like California and Illinois and Arizona. But I also guess that in those states there is probably a greater impetus now for reform because of their insolvency. When Governor Schwarzenegger started to write -- or use. People noticed if if long term reform is the goal. Is not insolvency. A good thing and I know that's somewhat of a rhetorical question. I understand what you're saying. As somebody once said before rolling. Isn't what disturbs people it's when they hit the ground you're probably right if we hit the ground every one will know who stepped up and tried to prevent. This crisis from becoming a disaster and who. Stuck their head in the sand ensure their responsibility. Everywhere will know that the legislature had a choice and choices matter. Actions have consequences. And legislature made a choice I think it's the wrong choice having -- be responsible choice and it will have consequences. But it Detroit had too many legislators. Not all of them but too many of them made when we -- in special session just a few weeks ago. Tell me about those consequences of what kind of impact and I'm not suggesting perhaps that that you don't make these cuts but what kind of impact do you see. These cuts having a play -- -- You're gonna see the impact that other states of going -- delayed payments to schools and local governments to service providers and even to the state workforce. You'll have to start delaying the payment of pension. He'll have to start delaying. Property tax relief. Then you start to have. You start going from cutting to god in California they're not cutting education they're closing schools. And Arizona but -- health care they're shutting down. Hospitals and they are selling off this state property that this is what that there are 48 states in deficit right now but New York as one of the fourteen states. That had not. Head to. Get rid of all there early childhood education prekindergarten programs play one states have laid off Oprah look workers put -- a list. Some states. Have actually. Conducted early release program from their prisons -- short shorten parole. -- literally letting people out of jail because they can't pay that debt now that's pretty serious. I've had -- to York. I've had legislators in this room and of course we we do open up the phone lines from time to time and any time we -- the state budget there are two areas that both the elected officials and the public. Seem to zero in on. I'd like take them both and I will open up lines public sector unions. I know that she recently got here five then new employees now don't get the same pension benefits as old ones. But why not if things are so dire why not look at layoffs why not look at cutting the size of the state workforce even more on. Are we by attrition -- cutting the size. By seven at the 10%. Just by. He can't do it in all situations but just as people leave. Only replacing the essential employees that that we actually need. And the -- five point of -- Davis 35. Billion dollars over the next quarter of this century's so if Omar Al saves any lay off plans the other problem that lay off as much as. I know that a lot of New Yorkers -- the public employees they stopped at our request to decline this 2.3 percent schedules. Wage increase this year but the reality is. That we -- no revenue crisis. So if you lay people -- you're gonna be paying part of the year. Salaries and unemployment insurance for awhile and also you're losing the revenues that they generate for the to the economy. So you know it it sounds like a good idea but really we're gonna say far more money with the culmination. Of the Patricia. Here five which is an historic piece of legislation. And also with the buyout packages that we giving state workers. All right and quickly governor Tommy about Medicaid can we offer less benefits and reduce costs that way New York as you know has has a bigger smorgasbord on the table. In terms of benefits than some other states. Well that was what I eight had proposed 4071. I'm million dollars of the -- a cut to Medicaid itself exactly -- -- talking about and the legislature. Gave me back. About 25%. Of the and that's. Shirking responsibility because that same. And cut -- going to be worse. When you are governing in insolvency. What happens now. Is that your credit rating is downgraded and just like somebody to get behind and credit card -- you're paying for going to interest in not the principal. All right 8030930. Is our number that toll free line 180616. WB and on the other side of the break we'll start -- some phone calls governor David Paterson is live with us this morning. This is hard line on news radio on 930 WB -- Bases and use traffic and weather station WBE and 9:30 AM. 36 degrees outside there's a freezing rain advisory in place until 1 o'clock and AccuWeather says today the highest it'll be is about forty degrees. Right now we have governor David Paterson live on the line this is hard line my name's Dave -- Let's go right to the phone say -- 30930 this second here's someone hang up that's the time to jump in. The lines will be jumping will try to squeeze as many as we can end. If you start out with just your question and and not a lot of speechifying that'll help move along awfully quick John in Rochester and you're on with the governor go ahead. They gave -- governor Pataki you know well. We have got a lot of local state and federal labor laws in place tonight I like your style I'm I'm supporting -- -- -- proposal here in the budget. But I like to see she has taken a step further. We don't need the union slick we needed them before we got local -- statements are what protect us I'd like to see you take it would. A second level. And -- on the offense offensive against a public employee unions including the school unions which are hijack this state. And I think we'd be much better off in the short run it on rent and I would vote for you for governor if you you you did this governor. When John I think that's about to happen because I think -- unions are likely to soon be over these delays when in fact they have absolutely no solution. And didn't cooperate at all. When we were trying to make the deficit reductions in the budget earlier this year that could've prevented us from being in this crisis right now. Do you think it taking you. Since the spring in I I it's I -- that massively and I -- that you should go on the offense and no you amended these -- of isolate go on the offensive. Take would be any data used take on the wind gardeners from this teacher unions and I'll play you could win this election. Well thank you I'm not doing necessary to win the election I'm doing it because the state is about to go bankrupt. Because. Some people selflessly. Continue to worry about their problems and not others in critical period in the State's history. Governor do you think though it is possible to get reelection without the support of the public sector unions or at least some of them. I gotta tell you I really don't wanna talk about campaign right now because too much discussion has been made about the political consequences of the players in this economic problem. And not enough discussion has been. Talk about the real consequences for New Yorkers if our state becomes insolvent. All right that's fair. Let's go back to the phones that a question about Medicaid from John in -- Europe go on. Well I -- the governor Paterson I'd give -- It just real quickly governor or. I believe the federal government offers 5050 matching on Medicaid for. You know waiver services. Why did this they'd take advantage of that and bang rather than cutting -- needed. Media programs for people with them on mental disabilities. Well that's Medicaid. We get a 5050 match job but the national average is 58%. And actually. -- -- state because Medicaid formula is distributed by per capita income. I -- the short -- because we have very high salaries you know from people who live in New York City you know Wall Street. Said -- you know those high salaries. What Medicaid should be reimbursed based on the poverty level which in New York. It's 25%. Higher than the national average. And so. If we reimburse Medicaid that way. New York we get three to four billion dollars a year and I've been. I think with the federal government for a long time to try to get them to give us our fair share by the way -- -- 86 point nine billion dollars in 2007 more. And we got back in taxes. And the only other state it's close is California and they are quite a population. Governor of the situation is so dire. Why remove this requirement that we get new license -- because that was initially something that would bring in dollars isn't anything no matter how unpopular isn't anything that brings in dollars. Right now good thing. Well it's a 129 million dollars at a number of people up state made the case to me that they need. Their resources to get back and forth from work and it seemed to be across the board and and in this one instance. -- just to demonstrate that I'm not grew. And I'm just a governor. I'll do it another day another hundred transmit million also we're gonna have to pay from another place I -- her body understand that. But it seems to be all over the state something everybody wanted. And I don't know that I think that this is that. Changing license plate earlier the 25000 body repair equipment better way to handle it. But you know every once in awhile and and -- seldom that we can do it this way. You have to make sure. That the public is listening to you and I'm listening. To the public on license plate I hope they will now listen to me about these public cuts and delayed payments that I'm gonna have to do to save this state financial stability. But I've got to think when you make those cuts later today you're gonna hear from hospital you're gonna hear from schools you there there will be an outcry similar to that which was generated by the license plates now. Yes there's going to be an outcry but. What we're talking about the license -- a hundred million now we're talking about a state as a billion dollars in debt right now for one month. So that that that these numbers are far higher. And that the consequence of the most dire and they can listen -- him yell and scream all they want they don't have an alternative to what I'm talking about and frankly. If this situation gets worse. Then we'll have to go back to some of the proposed cuts that we made that we had to back off like the license plates -- hoping we won't have to do that. And unfortunately -- the legislature won't act I will act and I will make these reductions. And I would do it within the guidelines of the law they consume all they want but I'm not gonna let this statement out of money on my watch. All right back to the phones we go enough times squeeze a couple more calls and then maybe we can persuade governor is stick can take a few more on the other side. -- -- The great good will hold -- over the news break and clear out the lines later if you have dialed in stand hold he's just pledged to get to all of you. Jason in the cellphone Europe now go ahead. Hi guys are you doing I'm governor Paterson thank you I respect your tenacity for attacking this problem like a small business owner as opposed to a politician running away from a problem with a smile. Com I would really call beg you to please let New York State go bankrupt to get us out of this crushing debt and onerous contract that we have which unions. And -- if you really want a flood from a small business owner here flood New York State with a lot of businesses coming into it. I'm rebuild the states. Constitutionally. -- the tenth amendment states sovereignty. And you'll watch it on a business is coming here to avoid things coming in the future like cap and trade and -- unified health care and things like that. I would write -- -- do have another constitutional convention to give. More than just those who are. And all the opportunity to speak -- -- member of we have a new constitutional convention the same forces. And that have intimidated Albany we'll try to do the same thing at that convention. And at what the one place I disagree is that when you let it say go bankrupt. Look at what's happening to California. They have shut down so many services he can't they have to wish him. But none of the students in college can pay for -- so real world. Consequences talk to individuals twice as many Americans went bankrupt in 2008 as they did in 2007. Seriously everybody think about that dire consequences of what happens. When your state can meet its obligations that technically if they cannot go bankrupt. Because as stated -- in the constitution have a limited taxing authority and also. Has the ability to borrow we tax people to death we can't do it anymore. And we have borrowed to -- the credit rating agencies have told us if you borrow one what time we did downgrade your credit mortgage payment -- -- -- -- kind -- All right governor stay with us on the other side of news break we'll clear up the phone lines and much gone your way. Later today at twelve noon governor Paterson is expected to announce across the board budget cuts you can watch that live online at WBN dot com. And in the meantime he's with us for another ten minutes or so here on hard line this is news radio 930 WB and. -- -- -- And with -- for another ten minutes or so we have New York State governor David Paterson. Later today coming up at twelve noon he's expected to unveil. -- latest in the series of across the board cuts to get rid of the shortfall this year and make sure the state budget doesn't go insolvent. You can watch his announcement there by the way coming up live in new. On WBN dot com but in the meantime he's graciously agreed to. Stay with us for another ten minutes or so were clearing out some of the calls we've already got here and governor let's go right back to the phone lines. Go ahead and I believe on a cell phone you're next tie. Governor are more like you haven't taken steps like out. Our pension costs. And double dipping by state employees should get trash collector policemen and schoolteachers were targeted. Instead -- exceed their -- -- why isn't -- legislation to -- -- and the Korean air and apparently it did sign a bill which is gonna save this state a lot of money is that tier five pension system. It is a new. Pension system that goes into effect. And that means that away. Can hear the I'm wondering governor that that means the new employees coming in won't make as much but I think ads asking about older ones say. What I want to say is that one of the things we've done because he was talking about capping. We have cap the amount of overtime. Is that employees can receive in the last. Three years which is that's what really drives of the pension -- is that everybody work to overcome the last year. And has a bloated salary far beyond what the salary really was and that. The -- they used -- pension. We -- that over time with 15%. Indians and -- I think you're gonna ask me David you can't go back and renegotiate a contract you already signed we're stuck with the pensions system that was given to us by our predecessors years ago. Sure it would be. -- -- -- -- -- -- Schedule or failed to schedule or see the writing on the wall that -- employees to do -- it's seeing it means that hiring more employees at. -- -- -- I would greatly reduce our pension costs these people are directly responsible you -- not. Anybody else so what we're not telling our department heads to stop all right in the overtime especially in accepts. What we have stopped are arriving all the time in this. Economic downturn that we definitely have done that. But I think the big part about overtime with a over time people. Taken -- after years of service. Often flopping all the numbers and making taxpayers paid. I hope a year pension. Benefits way beyond what we ability to afford. What about the idea of double dipping I know there are even some sitting legislators that are already taking their pension. Or people who go back to government service after a serious SUNY job I. I think unfortunately vehicle laws that would past two years ago that we are gonna have to take another look at it as we restructure like the gentleman who talked about. Just coming back and and and looking at the constitution. We're going to have to restructure our entire government. Because our government can not support all the payments we wanted to make you simply can't spend money that you don't have. Reformers whenever they talk about restructuring often say. The time has come to toss out the Taylor law are you one of them that would agree with that. I mean I don't know that. That's. Necessary but I'm thinking about doing more is. Is saving resources I think what just has happened. Is that the pendulum has swung too far back the other way. And people come within expectation when I. So this state that we would have the worst recession since the Great Depression these same people were about this so we left that thing. And they think that Jessica -- -- them get them sitting legislator -- in Western New York who I saw the that was in buffalo you know we are around. Going to revitalize the the heart disease but who -- And we we did that yesterday. And I would show some clips of some of the Arlington citizen got up and said. Oh he's making this up desperate is political agenda we're really not out of money these legislators. And -- -- -- mark Schroeder and employed they both know that we are out of money and how dare they shame on them. They're getting up until the public something they know not to be the case and that they if they even believe this web based. They haven't dealt with the money is because it isn't anywhere this this -- of the political employees. And the way to truly appreciate your help with the public and trying to get personal adulation when you're really turning your back on the public. And not telling the truth you're making people pay the pro I that you didn't have the courage to stand up and addressed. And wouldn't pay yourself. Both Schroeder and point are in the assembly. I know and often often other discussions whenever you talk about the budget you've laid a lot of blame at the feet of the Senate. Is there enough blame for both these both these houses to share. Well I you know up until this point official remarks had been coming to this -- but I wish only quit well one of them was on. There's this CBS affiliate you know making these statements. The only thing you know what the budget deficit is -- -- this could just a disagreement. I wouldn't even bring it up. But they know what the deficit situation is the controller has said so the bond holders of this state have said so other states. Are having these problems look at what's going on in this state health of Hawaii. Within LC we know that they're cutting its school week from five days to four. California has discontinued all of its domestic violence support. These states. Of Arizona has sold off some of its properties. You know I gave you the list before mr. not a joke this is not a game to play this -- -- way to try to. Get. Adulation for yourself. When you admit when your neighbors -- suffering. When you come home and held the school district all look I think believe sources from the actions of the big -- governor. The fact is when they become insolvent the school district and the children are going to be hurt more and they know it. All right let's there at their Manning calls marked in Lewiston Europe with governor Paterson hello. Hello. -- question the governor he's here. Hello -- particular called mr. governor. I have a question and how can a State of New York become they're right to work states. Been given to people the opportunity to either join a union are not. I actually don't know the answer that question I've adapted. Two ask to have that research. I mean I I I I've been a nonunion worker for many years IVRoots. Actually got a second job that forced me into union position. And I still these unions are taken my rights away from it they're making decisions for me that I'd better I feel are. Art and the worthy and I have no choice well. And to be honest with the best way to do it is I think that we need -- hope an entire overhaul of campaign finance laws. If we could not spend that much money running all of this then we wouldn't be that dependent on people to raise money in the idea that you don't have. Obligation to people who raise money if you it's about time someone to get up and says if somebody gives you. Help they expect something. In return or as I'm gonna want tell me told me an extra pair hand always -- put them out. And the reality is. That the reason so many people are intimidated the reason you've got people embarrassing themselves getting up and saying that we don't have a crisis when we go. It because they are afraid they're scared they don't wanna send anybody who's gonna hurt them should they try to get run for higher office -- something like that. And I think we could make it easier. As we can't seem to find public service to more character we can make it easier that by limiting the amount of resources. That all special interest not just begin in there are other problems in this state that all special interest sparked. Able to. Have more than impact on what goes on in Albany in the Asia. Governors like you're talking about things like campaign finance on ask you a little bit about ethics legislation I know earlier this year. You kind of restructured a little bit of the State's watchdog agencies in that regard. And as they're need to especially when we look at what happened -- former senate majority leader Joseph Bruno is their need for stronger ethics laws New York State. Well I think the whole problem within a burnout case is. How could he leader of the legislature one of the proverbial three men in a -- be a consultant at any business. When you hire a consultant that's an advocate a lobbyist because all the inside to influence. The decision makers but now you're paying the decision makers so I think that. That the system was flawed in the first place and we need to get rid of that the second thing we need is when you're evaluating. -- legislative conduct. You can't appoint the same people gonna review your conduct you don't go to court. And then ask your neighbor who happens to be a judge to sit in your case it's an automatic conflict of interest. The center here has actually been very supportive. But the assembly has to this point dispute the opportunity to do with thirty states and our our union are doing right now which is. You'll appoint a board of people who will then it -- pick independent. Reviewers to examine legislative ethical conduct. I and I know you spoke of us for senator Bruno for being both a consultant to the sitting legislator at the same time. Doesn't assembly minority leader. With more than that. They consulted and their leader. The majority leader of the Senate -- -- one of the three people making that decision and I'm saying. Once you have that system in place. It wasn't going to be typical beyond that to violate. The law because that the whole system was riding to the core in the first place. But doesn't assembly minority leader Sheldon Silver still take law clients in a similar manner. Well the business shows over the speaker of the assembly is majority. Yesterday but just to to it it's clear that he had the job outside. All government that he does represent clients. But I don't think to be fair to the -- they've ever been a finding that his clients who do business with the state. So as long as you're holding an outside job. That's not directly related to the state that's okay you're -- Yeah well that's the way it is Melamine to the federal that -- congress. Has banned any outside job and made being -- how to represented manner member or US senator a full time job week. We've still considered legislature and a half. Time I would be in favor of making legislative service a full time job I think most legislators I know our full time employees. But that. But I don't think that the outside employment of the speaker even is in the ambit of what we're talking about here just a lawyer who work. Practices law. And then at the legislative job as well. If you start talking about making them full time employees and taking away when other part time salaries they have on the side. I can see a lot of people saying that would be a good reason to raise their pay. And. They probably a reason to raise the pay and even though that would be a raise in pay I think about public would be far more protected. Because it -- in many ways. It would protect them from outside influences even more. Governor I just wanna be clear in the current climate when we're talking cuts. You just outlined a scenario where you say a pay increase would be all right. No I didn't do that I had that day that's -- if we ever switch to a full time legislature. Recognizing that that it is belly full time responsibility. We were probably as the House of Representatives did in 1989. -- probably. Make. You know we would probably adjust salaries but this could be no time to do we can't afford to give anybody. Really anything we leave at one. Gift from the government this year and that's the license plate and that's about all we're going to be able to do. Understand I just know that oftentimes on the radio people are driving in doing a lot of other things -- and make sure that we all heard just. No I'm not want. The legislature never raise right now I don't think. This is why we ask the public employees to forgo a 2.3 percent increase that absolutely refuse to do it earlier in the year. And I just thought that. They could really want a lot of points that the public ebitda. All right let's squeeze in the last two up cause they're still on hold here. And in Lewiston it's your turn you around with governor Paterson go ahead. Good morning governor my name is that -- I'm a registered conservative. And with the school board member for twelve years and I admire your carried IM refresh. Everytime I -- used to be. The Lewiston Porter union teachers union has -- three million dollar plus on that essentially came from the state. How can you prevent school district from wasting state money in this regard. We you know -- wanna be. When we were trying to cut the school districts. 90%. Of the school districts in -- sent me notes you shouldn't say this because this is not helpful but no one ever sent me a note saying this is wrong. 95%. Of the school district. Had that reserve fund that would of the absorb those cuts and they're not being reviewed by ratings service so. I think that would have been a good way to handle it what happens with a lot of the public employee. Unions is that they have saved. We sources in this fund and this is where they money comes with the ad campaigns look but the government doing to children but the reality is that. 71% of caustic go to school district goes to administration. You never hit under a commercial but the government that we -- it lay off three administrators this week. Because that's how you use money to influence public opinion. Magellan before and said go on the offensive. Well I don't have millions about to go on TV and try to counter that kind of advertising. Authority and having -- real good example. That was in 2007. If you remember governor Spitzer took about five million dollar that was all the money. And went on TV and tried to fight them and report about fifty million dollars on top of him. And I think people -- supplies and Al. Many resources that a lot of inches is nothing wrong with what they do. I'm just saying that the public is not getting a fair hearing of the other side of why we -- making these production. Yeah governor if if I may that they reserve is because. All districts that would make -- import unique is they had a three million dollars plus spike that has already been given to the PG union that there holdings. And that's -- that's a considerable amount of money and it's probably. Illegal although the comptroller hasn't made an opinion. And what you're describing it was the teacher's union disparaging politicians. Such as yourself who stand up. And protect public money. It's it's an onslaught of. Cash against you and I hope and it earlier than that and I really appreciate WB and having the opportunity for people to speak you can get. Truthful news from WBA as well the vanguard newspaper I appreciate very much. All right. I think governor you're about to ask him what district that was. What was the name of the Lewiston Porter. District -- reporter writing today it's a fight to ask for control of off of what they know about it. It's in Niagara county north of Niagara Falls. Enough time to squeeze in one final pawn again governor thanks especially for holding over a little bit longer than you initially agreed to. There's there's so many late in my press conference. And not to worry we will stream that live online at WBN dot com at twelve noon about one half hour from now. Enough time to squeezing Gary and millions -- go ahead journal. Really appreciate your newfound. Low for the taxpayers. You know this election cycle reminds me of one of those Saturday afternoon monster trilogy. David Paterson stars and -- Andrew -- stars and son of Cuomo the worst governor of New York State and the third movie is a escape from New York. Governor being appealed a lot here and do you want -- with your passport. I don't want -- my problem. -- I will say that -- That when I became a minority leader of the Senate in 2003. And I realize that press statement saying four billion dollars a year. As Palin on debt. That we. Well over credited just like a lot of consumers. It was around that time I started to realize that we have to practice some more fiscal discipline that we might. Disagree on a lot of social issues are sure I would disagree with a lot of McAuliffe who called today but our problem right now. Is that we can't be ideological about a deficit crisis. You just can't spend money that you don't have. And whether it's popular or not I'm sure a lot of parents. Or not even import and we put -- in middle class families are so. It suggests. So depleted right now that they're gonna -- to make choices. And the -- could come down to toys for Christmas. Or paying -- rent or paying the mortgage. And it would not be very popping your family if you don't allow gift giving during the holidays. But the reality is that the responsible parent. Pays the rent paid the mortgage keeps the family in the health and hopefully when the children understand. Don't know that. They did what was in the best interest of the family and I'm trying to do with that emphasis. But what is in the best interest of the state. -- you have to abandon. Your ideology it's times like this we've had to cut. Vital programs that people really need afterschool services for at risk youth. And services that help those who have all kinds of diseases and we've also had to cut. We've also had imposed taxes which we don't wanna do we've had imposed -- we -- the property tax rebate. That is insane but would do is to try to save our state financial position the only thing that was said today that kind of disagree with that. No let's not hit the ground before we wake up let's not go bankrupt. Before we realize what we should have done. Talk to your neighbors and others states. Let them tell you the terrible consequences of those states have been do it because no one acted and and I think we might look at this situation differently. All right governor thanks so much for this we'll be watching on line as you go off to the news conference unveiling those cuts today at noon. Thank you so much data we'll do it again. All right very good. Governor David Paterson on the other side we continue we've got congressman.
