It will back. Michael -- to again yes it's mean not Tom hourly. I apologize for that but I'm here until Friday because Tom is not he's -- for the week well deserved rest. And we're here talking about. The potential of eight governor Donald Trump a governor Donald Trump and you know I I had a bit to do with the meeting with mr. trump last week. With several different. Elected officials and county. -- GOP chair and things like that. And the person asked me to arrange that meeting. Was. Assemblyman David the pitcher who was working with assemblyman bill no Jake who really. Is -- them. The driving force behind this assembly -- -- in the line. Yeah I'm like -- -- are you on. I don't let the player without -- it would of occurred -- I don't think a lot of the discussions are going on around New York State right now Libya. Are you know this there'd be fewer launches a bill will -- on and some oil. But we we haven't let anybody you know bill whole idea what was Beazer for once -- lose a bet between me and Meehan -- -- and I want you lost but. Listen -- yeah. When you first of went to them you know talk to the media about the potential about of Donald Trump. -- candidacy. Army came back with a very polite no I mean we all know that he's thinking about running for president again words with an open secret in the in New York City and environs. But you wouldn't take no for an answer to the media him. Tell me why a total I don't why you use certain -- taught me. That the logic behind a the media a trump candidacy seems like he's got a path. Well I think troll I'll have that and you know what Carl Paladino artwork. -- -- out you know campaign. That you were obviously. In in the middle and but I I really think that going into the 2014. Election year. It's going to be such a critical year for the future upstate New York. Something in the most that a lot upstate. Have seen it long term for a which is really -- upstate New York I'd -- upstate my definition is in place north of Westchester County. Turning upstate new York and it would joint park they're really doing to watch whether -- lower rosters are -- cheer. That they did Padilla -- that. In the twentieth century which is just say they're squeezing out. Productive industry and business. Of manufacturing. Human form. And that group would result in population loss job loss. 90% of our school districts upstate New Yorkers smaller today than they -- 2030 years ago. And we got to do something or we are. Here especially. I will be a -- got. My -- I've got three kids that. Have graduated from college in the last year or so and you know not of their friends got shops here -- Yorker. Who. Like mark so I think we're at a decision point we've got to be something Andrew Cuomo talked a good game back in 2000 and well we old people believe just pitch. About. I actually believed I believed. In. It's true and in fact he's made it much worse than being. This -- backed it's really it really plays a role in this next election doesn't that the Democrats think that he's safe because he lives in. Dark blue New York but. There's a problem their form -- In Albania. I think there is a problem for all all as the straight fact it is got people. Angry all across upstate New York. And you help people like New York City is this monolithic gun control. Very you don't count me in New York State as the most members of the NRA. It's -- yeah yeah yeah the New York County which is Manhattan has more NRA members. Than any other county in all of New York State. So I'd I think it double poll numbers I've seen the poll numbers on just bought the fact is I think corps ball. Bit off what they could shoe and as partially because the same effect was so poorly thought. Everybody was show knows that as it was draft it was potency. It was poorly drafted. It's not cost upstate New York over a thousand jobs in -- I reverend -- it was passed. Sure online in the buffalo area member of the assembly. Sent to -- community jobs lost because as ice and are you kidding of course there are. -- you've got -- all across upstate New York not just Remington. On our arms. You got -- They left and went to Texas Austin, Texas. Our -- will the Pennsylvania now we have got at least a thousand. Jobs that we counted probably another browser so that India a tertiary secondary tertiary companies. That -- suppliers and there's -- -- they're gone too yeah just at a of the 300000 manufacturing jobs lost in the seat near. When my wife and I were taped her little Tug boat across the Erie Canal -- stock because of flooding are right it billion where where the Remington factory is in I was really impressed I've got three shifts work in a thousand people it's a bustling factory but if they closed that down. Billion would be done. Finished there'd be nothing there it would be like Chernobyl. Well it is it and you know and Italy and if that happens to the list of all their cities across such a great look at Cornell. It in the southern -- used to -- -- city of almost 20000 -- should be 8000. Population numbers and buffalo Rochester and Syracuse courting and -- All of these cities you should be proud manufacturing cities and the manufacturing is still going -- just not happening in New York City. Right now you according to the analysis that you wrote for the team that went to meet with mr. trump you think that the the safe back the people that the voters who were against the say pact could be worth. Half a million new single issue votes for anyone running against -- half a million that's a heck of downside for -- Well I'll tell that you are into the number at the first -- -- we had a trip or 28. Of this year after the same effect was. We had 101000. People in Albany. For the largest grassroots demonstration in the history of modern history -- nobody why -- remember. Went 101000 people -- -- showed up now Elvis sometimes teachers unions are as CIU papers a lot of people. But those are all paid so called while -- -- -- alters. Everybody knows that it's sort of Iran to mop. It was really genuine. Grassroots. From all across 800 -- showed up. Countless cars and numbers all the calories. Yep I felt that retailer's information. Or someplace between four and six million gun owners in New York State. But we also know. That over half of them. Don't vote right well I think because of the -- effect and not in all the same fact that doesn't and -- to say that the spring practice at the beginning. Oh I know that the mean it just keeps going on the enforcement. Now there talking about. Sending people -- giving people rewards for marking on their neighbors and it's just getting worse and worse. The governor has has got via a program that would make -- German -- proud. At. And and these people an -- you look at the report -- in the pipeline. To require every gun -- to have a billion or three million dollar insurance. In addition on this whole war well you know as a requirement to have me -- a firearm in your old -- does not and until they meet their real goal. Which is no private ownership fire -- Along the lines of the way things aren't in England. Or Australia now and we don't stop here but it doesn't stop. Doubt they were online right now with the build coaches assemblyman from the Rochester area he was one of the the prime movers in the meeting that happened last week with Donald Trump and with his colleagues from the assembly including our own. Assemblyman David T -- and I'll tell you assembly minority. I think. 30500000. New voters showing up because the seat back I think that's possible you know the problem we've had in the past. As political advisors. Is that we go on -- get the addresses for everyone who's. Who is owns a gun and and and we we mail them. And try to tell them you know the candidate is is pro Second Amendment you should support the candidate. They don't they never came out they don't respond they don't do it they just completed anybody who was not voting. Because I'm sorry anybody who owns a gun and has not voting until the -- fact you couldn't get them to vote for anything even if you were talking about someone being anti gun. -- they would not come out and vote against them. But now it's I think it's exactly it's it's different right. I think it is not even a -- campaign last year 2012 before the same effect we had a a fundraising event. It was a crapshoot of that and a young gun club at least out. And a lot of I say half the people McCain didn't like username. And I wanted to kick in the 35 boxer's plea offer campaign country -- that. -- around trap but they did not eliminate because they were basically not political. It and and they were not they they really didn't -- you know they've all all the you know that -- -- your guns I took so they didn't believe it. Well now they believe it. Because the governor use -- the C toward the cup escalation in word and a radio interview. It -- he has made this sale. All of the AR style while there are which is really the shut the truck though all modern gods it's not an assault weapon. It's -- -- a missile. But what should do a lot. Right right well I'll tell you I I hope he can stick around till after whether Republican or really quick traffic break here. And double will give will be right back with the assembly bill military. Who's behind this Donald Trump for governor idea. We here on not a news -- 930 WB and this is Michael -- for Tom hourly. -- -- with a forecast. It's 35 degrees outside mostly cloudy -- tonight -- -- shower in the southern tier lower 42 rather cloudy breezy and colder tomorrow. With a couple of those showers high of 26 degrees mostly cloudy. Tomorrow night with snow showers acuity coding. To an inch and low of eighteen degrees Wednesday brisk and cold with additional snow showers high of 25 and don't forget the -- of what skew -- deflect. Worries and squalls to bring. Heavier -- to ski country. Tomorrow afternoon through Wednesday bands of -- lake effect snow could reaches far north as outcomes are -- so. Over a foot of snow will fall in the heavy snow bands tomorrow Wednesday. It's your skis waxed. We are actually on the line he revealed no. OJ who represents the Rochester who is behind. One of the folks behind this trump for governor ID you know I I've. I was impressed with your analysis I think what you're saying. Is right I think that if trump runs it's going to be easier for the Republicans also recruit qualified in and viable candidates. For state comptroller and attorney general right now. Bill we have nobody right. -- that's a big problem republicans' New York is rapidly. Turning into one party state. And we all know what happens. Open the United States and or cities like you've seen it yourself. In the old -- -- in the former Soviet states. You've got a one party state. Bad things happen I saw last year in Detroit or spend eight wants as -- chief operating officer Detroit's transportation system work an understatement. And it got a one party out there Republican Party to simply does not exist in Detroit you take a look at California. To take a look at Illinois where ever you've got one party government. You can't waste inefficiency and corruption. And better as rapidly we're New York State Senate. Yeah absolutely I think also you know you made a point that the state senate. Is in trouble if we don't have a strong candidate right into Republicans kind of control now. Bring your thank him -- its gonna go Democrat. It is in it I would emphasize the kind. Writes. That in other Republicans got thirty -- 63 -- -- -- -- minority. In this case you've got three -- Democrats. And frank epic that's well orchestrated by -- and recordable. Or anybody else because she's afraid of what happens if the real it's out of New York City to control the summit. All hell would break those New York State politics. Well he's certainly ever be elected. President of United States if the Democrats for a complete. -- I think because of the state fact it's pretty -- dollars Kabila to present its its in arteries are well. I'll tell you what will happen you -- you know here we are in upstate New York. And they want a union have mandatory you as a nation of farmworkers yeah. That'll that'll wipe -- the family farm in upstate New York. No question a question like you said they keep force in north into the -- wanna turn that one person was paper. Really. But that attitude that that's another effect of it I mean that they want a wide -- family farms. They've already gone all a long way towards illuminating manufacturing. And look at look at the economy awful. Now I know you know we work we're hoping to do a little bit better in the near term over here in buffalo but -- -- thank you very much for. For coming on line here in a week -- what you've done is already you know you've raised a lot of good questions you've got people talking and and you know. If we're gonna recruited good candidates run against Andrew Cuomo that's it takes discussion and thanks for initiating. It's a game changer and you're in for a -- This story is just beginning we'll look forward to what happens early next year. August CU and New York City -- The -- and thanks mister OJ assemblyman bill no Jake from Rochester area you're here. On WBN news radio 930. We're going to be back in just a minute this is -- the brutal in for Tom hourly. This is to oversee. Garth Brooks is announcement -- next early next year very cool. That is -- Michael -- in for Tom hourly here on news radio 930 WB -- you know my first. Got back through buffalo a one a lot of people were very nice to meet Carl Paladino for one also. A lot of the local city leaders are very nice and and help me understand with this mine my hometown and what I'd move back into. One of those folks is -- number you know I do this TV show on Sundays at noon on WG yours he channeled to. Called -- sides and I are came on to the show. Because a jolt it was the Republican side of the through sideshow. -- resume giving too busy and couldn't do anymore and IE never really thank him for thank you very much Jules are -- on. In my courtroom where. Celebrity Idaho Idaho you know -- typical clearly you can put lipstick on a panic. Where you are you you've always told beavis and I think it's very interesting -- we knew when we talk about this. You think the problem is not candidate for the Republican Party. It's something else entirely. Well it is I think its message Mike you and I both know we didn't involve lots campaigns at all different levels but. It really grossed out and messaging I I'm very much convinced watching. Order patterns. Over the last ten years and there are obviously that it is it the old days of bullet already have gone by the -- -- I mean I would put some -- in the old days when. Democrats are going to promote changes over on the line Democrats and Republicans saying. And exit polls prove that he analog Democrat votes especially so well. He has so it really is about the message we started this like we do it's very spirited people borders are not really paying much attention these days to. What what what you have on your -- -- -- -- and I. It's about what you stand for and I'm finding that every year and and you know the reason why you've got guys like mark -- if you will. Who have been able to win as every public and -- -- it has been treated when democratic overlay is because of marks match. Right and what what makes him different than him. Another Republican that might run in that district. Well an -- has -- all the time that you know there are a lot of you know if you will I -- wool Republican victory could talk about what. The definition of that is vs -- rhino at some point but. You've got some people that are you know it very very conservative when it comes to social issues would be the if you -- I would consider this guy in the war Republicans tried and many other Republicans like me who are. You know very moderate when it comes to the social issues and many other Republicans where very moderate. So. -- you know that that's -- begin to draw lines but. This appointment senator -- is that he. Is not. 81 of those Republicans -- Republicans can you conservative fiscally stronger defense. But and the socialists as -- social issues obviously a little bit more moderate than maybe some. But that journey resort marquee win. And that district. Right -- and it's. That's we don't listen -- say that what they're not under I I did an interview with hard line with a deep deep -- yesterday and I said the our Carl Paladino is looking for a solid -- with conservative values it's -- protector and he called and he said no actually. I'm looking for someone with Republican now it's very different and and in that case I think. Carl may agree with few that they don't necessarily this candidate doesn't necessarily have to be Carl Paladino but they have to be a solid rock ribbed Republican it does that. Does that -- with what you're saying. Like equitable or adequately having trouble with defining what Iraq out Republican is considered Rockefeller Republican. You know at Rockefeller Republicans were. -- -- -- in -- socially. Liberal and fiscally conservative what. After Rockefeller Republican. That the cliff note version aghast. It's so. So we're kind of Republicans are we talking about when you looked -- Again voting patterns. In people not paying attention has argued that it was -- the person message. And beaten navy I think as Republicans about. Changing the perception the message and that we are not in Western New York. Of course. In New York -- in particular. We are not the Republicans on this now well if we can characterize people and you know geographic right. So all we need a lot of fire bad -- that's consistent with people that live here who think differently than people -- topic. Well a bit -- I believe and I think it would would you agree that. That the Republicans. In upstate new Yorker differed from the republicans' doubts they -- And what way. Not not is not not that different. Particularly. Strict social issues I think social issues like because most people most. You know people are saying I'd like to consider themselves as fiscally conservative. And it is different as the social issues and an -- public is what's troubling indeed sometimes. And -- -- Republican vote because you know the first half of my career as democratic official but. Trouble -- is. This whole course -- Republicans rear support and for last government traditionally right right well that. Republican. Platforms are part of a platform right yet we want a candidate people's lives in and tell them how issued. What they should do. That to me is a tremendous intensity. So that we need to see your -- -- Republican Party in New York State. -- Well I haven't. There haven't got a special on the national level. Army evidence that that discussion on national level two or atomic go to a meeting in Washington I see somebody in the wringing their hands saying it's all over. And if we don't change the way we we we we appealed to voters the Republican Party is finished you agree -- I think the Republican Party is finished as long as -- and allow. As a party the that he could be more conservative if you will be right wing of the party. Dominate the party we we're gonna continue to lose because people can't identify. With that. That brand of Republican politics. Anymore. Well -- it -- and I think also of their very quick to point to excuse me to paint the Republican. In those stark terms like for example -- I've talked about this before on the record and and I've told you about it every. -- -- complained few cried to use the David. I made that mistake on on Carl Paladino campaign. And gave -- script that that that it on on gay marriage that he didn't agree with there was a script that I've failed to edit some negative things out of but even though. Mr. Paladino is not anti gay or not really anti gay marriage. That that really hung around his neck even though we were. We went out and said look you know of this you know that script was did not represent him he didn't actually deliver that script and it was etc. it was a terrible mess up. They hated him is anti gay and then the entire ticket. What I I'm not record your rear Carlson and on an issue -- -- -- Marriage equality because I know that he took exception. And Q a lot of members of the state senate voted for -- where he stands but. That's really irrelevant for this particular discretion I guess but maybe not because Karl. It is one rubio is quick to crawl. People like myself. -- right now who believes socially that you know we should be a little bit more tolerant about what people do their private lives. Right this of that comes from that libertarian side of things I kind of lean that direction and you and I both the -- I know most of my -- the people I've worked with Ian -- -- about it in organ at all -- Yet we are in the industry have children right Michael are a -- our philosophy these changes even more we are just so it's becoming a maybe a little bit more conservative. I don't know -- tejada -- I mean I've I was a new young Democrats. When I was in a teenager I became Republican. Because Ronald Reagan raised -- pay when I was in the infantry. And that changed my mind of course I -- he bought me off he gave me thirty dollars more a month but he caught my attention because he cared about what was going on in the armed services. Right into it there's another guy Ronald Reagan right right when my heroes and here's a guy who was a right don't. -- purposes according to some people's definitions right. Right absolutely you know I I gotta tell you. There's. I've been participating in these hand bringing sessions in Washington are being sent there by my boss Bernie mayor of Bernie Marcus who's the the founder of Home Depot Lotta people are are are participating in these sessions. And bears are really stark divide there people who say. Our our our our our morals are. Our platform it works were gonna stick with another saying look you'd better open your mind on immigration and gay marriage or you're going by the way the -- Break and it's not in this it I I think I don't I personally don't believe that that's just pandering. That -- were -- as a coach I think. Most people realize we have to have a new immigration policy is not only play. Thoughts anyone think of what they -- wanted to mention before and on break here and maybe you -- stick around for the after the break. It in the what they are I think it's important point out that. -- Carl Paladino is position on gay marriage was not what everybody was talking about because of that -- that that speech that it was it is not that. And and I don't wanna speak for him that this is something that. In this is you know the kind of thing you need to leave up to -- to have to -- to communicate on the round but he's not anti gay he's not. Necessarily against gamers he's Catholic and he's brought up as one. But it's it's an issue that he'll tell you are wary stance -- but it wasn't where they said he stood. Not at all. You know we'll listen Joseph will be right back if you stick around we've got some callers wanted to. One have some questions as well this is Michael Prudhoe. And for Tom -- and news radio 930 WB Dan. And were back. Mrs. Michael -- in for Tom hourly news -- 930 WB and don't forget our telephone numbers 230930. Star. 930 on your cellphone that's -- you have no excuse. Call and tell us what you think. Of Donald Trump for governor or for that matter against Donald Trump for president that's where it's. But Jill Jabber is on the line for a witness a -- You were talking about reforming the message. And I've heard you talk about this and you've been your bending as many Republicans here -- as possible what kind of reaction are you getting. Suit to your part in your ideas. I I think I think there's some folks who. Some input into the messaging from the state level. Michael that are beginning maybe it's a little bit more attention today than they were maybe your growth but you know if you if you look at the whole issue of medical marijuana. And that you know 85% of people in New York State supported even this subset of Republicans very high in the high sixties low seventies. It still there's trouble getting this passed the -- So it is and get I'm hoping that the leadership. And in in Albany begins to pay more attention to. Those of us were saying -- we should find better candidates but it's hard to find candidates that. You know ask can -- there's. You are right ring we've -- Republican persona in order to get the support of the party. It just doesn't work that way -- Well listen we've got -- buy a car one wants -- ask your question get a quick traffic will be right back here this is Michael Caputo. On the line with jolt you Barbara talked about Republican politics. -- on -- reunited thirty WB -- will be right back. Your -- forecast for Rio 35 degrees here and get some lake effect for reasons walls. Tomorrow afternoon through Wednesday in the south towns ski country -- so -- skis went wrong light here with -- you Auburn jolt. If you -- but I'm gonna invite and from what it was built into the conversation and thank you for holding on with Michael -- I'm in for Tom hourly I'm here with Georgia number. Hi I'm bill that I hear you say debt that the Republicans. Need to get away from the conservative. -- what I'm saying is that we need to do is define who we are parties and -- -- -- -- -- serve and. All the on and let let me answer that and chaos. That might I Matt and I know at saint. Wouldn't say gentlemen let's say it come -- -- just be polite and say. I. Think I think yet the Republican Party has to modify its message and be more in line -- mainstream America. If we want to survive as a party if we want to win elections. I think me and many other. There -- many times weren't. The party's statewide and locally believes. That we -- candidate who. Are going to be. More elect Republicans from the south that's not more Republicans in New York State are all about where she stands. I know they and I wouldn't it ever describe the Republican like they have -- what I want to say here. We can instantly -- and that Democrats again down. They come up with any amnesty program and we have they have a bigger amnesty program that they come -- at. Social programs and we have some I don't I -- total program. And we have no business doing any advance. That eight people can sort themselves out and living in the states. Where they. We have the liberty that they are looking for in their life. If government -- color can't -- -- simply refuse to get past social issue it was simply say. We are people who are interested in the United States and institution which made. And most successful richest country in the world. And we are going to govern. That way -- act gonna rule. We're not enough for people to do what they don't -- it could do which reflect the liberals do everybody have to live like they weren't coming up. We are going to govern. According to the tactic to him that people can sort themselves out move to other states if they don't like what are they can't -- I -- you know. You make a very good point in thanks for calling and -- but she's got a point I mean we're talk about libertarian ism and in some ways it was over the values that would journalism. And it's based on the constitution. Yeah and it and you off I'm a protector of the constitution as much as you are Mike's adventures as much as end. Is. But that's different than than messaging and being more in line with you know we're -- people really are. Right you know Debbie in middle -- Debbie thanks -- and -- did you have a question for mr. G number on this. I called in light I I think I'm not -- and that's the questioner asked. About trump running right on okay what do aren't we at trump running for governor and Carol running for lieutenant governor. -- -- Past where it and doable and would that be a good thing because as Carol country well here we've got it -- obviously from. Lot CEOs to eat. And -- -- you know and trump would have to trial New York City if you know what any right. It certainly is you know what we're pretty injury right now but -- the idea of Carl Paladino taking the -- to -- you know I've never asked him that actually -- -- -- we were asked that. During the governor's race in 2010 he was non interest. I'm not. She only talking about running for governor now they don't get somebody -- Republican line. Like Japanese are part of the governor -- lieutenant. You know it's a big difference big what I. Worked out that are in trouble I think trouble buying. I I don't know -- you know -- longer than me but Carl is not averse to working with. No apparel -- a bit more respect -- Norton. For electronic consider -- we disagree on certain things that would storefronts. I I don't see Carol ever wanted to be in the number cheers by the -- Karl. I'll believe he's got a leadership skills to be governor if he decides he wants to pursue that course again. Debbie thank you very much for -- and we have John from south buffalo you don't agree with Joel's idea of changing the way we yeah the Republicans work. Now all I. Why should you reader client what I believed it. You know you you couldn't. It would all due respects I think she should go back over to democratic because I remember the green and red budget you know -- you. -- -- we can have a didn't have a very lengthy discussion but nevertheless they on the philosophical thing for a minute on the more about why. Be carried you believe as a Republican that we should stick government should stay out of people's lives. I don't consider myself a Republican power that yes the government should step related because. That they're judicial and you are -- right -- look at look at Erie county. We're at a testing note well -- we got no jobs. And you know you're here. Yeah an and that we can get into one of the reasons why I believe that's the economic doldrums or sister for too -- we can talk about. That's probably government we can talk about shared services because talked about all the things we talked about for years I'm driving across the size of government on if you -- had that discussion. A male let's do that at another time right now we're probably gonna listen I've -- I really appreciate you calling in there was a nice surprise and. Let's let's let's just have -- because I think this whole issue with you know who the Republican Party in New York State is what they're going to be integrated extremely important. In determining who because -- they're going to be for -- offices from the state level down. In the air whether or not we're gonna be successful in actually winning elections or not. Well listen that sounds like a whole show and of itself listen thanks for quality and toward really appreciated thanks well listen this is Michael -- -- in for. His -- -- him for Donald Trump I mean for someone bigger than Donald Trump Tom -- and I will -- accurate news radio 930 WEB yen.