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Into the -- colorful language to us. To make a point of the year that good people of western new York at the full benefits. Well. They don't call you Philly daily from -- until what's going on what is going on I mean there really a million people in the streets on Sunday. Well it you know as a long time player in the year political gain. The numbers game is key and so in Washington for years you've got rallies where. One such as that they got a million people there and the other sites are stripped the only 25000 people there and generally we both know the truth lies somewhere between. I was down there. Not to show my support. More take a look around and I would say he was probably close to 500000. Again that's based on photographs and my impressions of walking around -- park downtown area. So not a million. Two or 300000. People in streaks that people parliament are not how you got Michael. You know so we have a lot of ukrainians who live in Ukrainian Americans who live here in buffalo -- lot came here in the last century. And a lot of people are very concerned is it something that they need to be worried about their relatives there grandmothers grandfathers should they be concerned. Well I'm in New York have to be concerned when you have riot police and create a thousand and then you have some. Provocative towards. That hot heads in any situation. And there has been some talk. Government. Hired provocative towards to infiltrate -- crowd of the activist. Put my my impression walking around it was generally it's just about that's just the atmosphere. Big stage. Concerts. With obviously. Ukrainian markets performing -- me Ukrainian. And then speechifying. On Sunday by various political figures from the opposition. And the crowd was very well behaved com and you could work you recruited because a little creative play cards as you can imagine with two or 3000 people. So that the short answer is you should always be concerned when you have the threat of political tension. They exhibit manifesting itself. But right now no I would tell your listeners. All you posters and stickers here in particular Ukrainian American listeners who went -- over there that. To be concerned but don't -- leeward. You know it's all gonna come together. Peacefully because the -- the big breaking news now is that George Clooney and supports the opposition's so. Everything's okay it's going to be very. Well -- it felt that we saw a very dramatic thing happen. The tearing down of that Lenin statue you and I have both walked by that when the statue that's the Lenin statutes and both held. Most held in esteem in the city of Q there's got to be dozens of them probably don't. So -- -- -- let me correct you know -- most of the most of the Soviet era. Statues and names and have been changed and that was one of the few remaining when inspections in the Zetterberg central location. And it was broad base of it was probably eleven prospect. So bird to Russia trickle prospects. -- should check of course being be what these. You know number one writer poet -- author -- Ukrainian language of the Shakespeare of the Ukrainian language culture you. And so when you were asking earlier about the the security I would say that junior provoked -- -- Some serious beat downs going on last weekend I mean the video of course went around the world people were giving themselves they're -- the crap. -- And that was some that the president has said that some that was a mistake in their he's been being very careful right I mean even though more people got beat up today. But not in a big -- clearing -- certain areas ranked. Yeah I think he would happen to -- our -- are not comment on on what happened today. But they did forcibly clear -- some of the year it's. Some -- to my knowledge there were four major areas that were under occupation. The main central crossroads square interest section of the center on. We -- on the freedom square. That about half a mile away be liberal in Iraq the parliament. And and just downstream little -- is the cabinet ministers were the prime minister and then the cabinet work. And those were both blockaded. And then another half mile. Kind of form a triangle. The presidential administration building -- park. Where you really awesome bad action over the last weekend where. Some of your listeners might seem to be the bulldozer approaching Z the sailor. Riot police with their shields up and thankfully there are -- cooler heads prevail -- -- stop the bulldozer from actually plowing into the riot police. So I didn't do what happened today but yet the images from last Friday were RC disturbing -- and lead the protest of the air had almost completely -- out of the balloon at that part of it's a trap because you know cooker along both art institute Scudder encryption at tech which are the main street which of the main intersection there. And with a 300 protesters. And the riot police went in there to cleared out. And 4:30 in the morning actually started posting -- And quite -- surprise in the NH that. People don't know that you you know the world is always watched. Right -- there really isn't -- you know we see now. There's about 2000. Anti government protesters. On their huddled in maidan where its independence square where everything happens even in the concerts and all the parades. It's very popular place in Q. I've been there -- few -- -- sometimes. The 2000 people camp -- the square -- how how cold is it there. I don't -- cold -- -- and who went before. An exact same except we expect the same note that you. So basically. If you are from buffalo. And Barton's -- mark there's no effects. Well I'm wondering Filipino I've heard rumors I've heard talk that. This is no Orange Revolution Orange Revolution being 2004 film mean figuring there right. It's 2004 is very organized that this isn't as -- And yes and the rumors department. -- what the Hungarian leaders and sorrows or else. That sort of funded them major portion. The proportion of that car. The order so -- neatly -- for support when you're talking 213. Thousand. Protesters to go on independence square might. What -- what they -- -- there and export all of them that senses. I would powers. I mean -- urgent means in -- armored personnel carrier will get through. A bulldozer will get true but. These should demand it could get you'll have some -- not just 2000 people checked out where. Riot police departments can. Politely pushed him so it's if -- sort of -- -- figure that backward until that it's. Closed down all the rest there there's -- are all partners over local fast food company that quote them. Vote them down in the assortment here people -- no longer about community now. And so I think it is in the Weathers couldn't take -- school and so those supplies and cool it on the -- like -- people are potentially. Going to. Going to disperse -- have to. I have to the president of the that it had been and he roundtable with discrete former presidents. Ukraine since the independence in 1980s. And at least -- -- -- Right. But it's not as organized it was 2000 -- there's not there's no funding. So no it's not. -- about what was. And people. You know and military. Kitchens. Or that you were January and in your career what would work better treatment and in Honolulu. In -- Williams I was in the tough duty in Schofield. Go -- there are numbered but -- that sort -- went back and. But that that's a good thing in a bad thing I mean it's not as organized meaning it grew up really truly grassroots who wasn't bought and paid for by George Soros. But in in effect if if something goes wrong there's really no organization to stop an over reaction ranked. Yeah compared to ports. It was a genuine grassroots. From the from the bottom up. People power kind of saying. And -- opposition. Leaders of which are already. Made them. They were scrambling to get our right and there are so that they said. Partly. Two people know that you know with particularly if you Google home and a couple of lucrative you know we didn't get them out here and vocalists are. To go back. But the errors coming from. Parts of that a week ago and it was proven wrong when -- -- could be special police went in their crack at. On the night of November 30 to December 1. Right known as you sit considered to be you know and again something could. Sporkin reignited such as tearing down -- -- that you which was provocation on the protesters. Absolutely absolutely now now tell me the go ahead. Literature -- -- turnabout from what we've learned that you can human -- but -- -- You know vote in the Republican Party some more an independent now. What it's worth the Republican Party -- to -- but there's never been different economists in the direction pretty hawkish views. I don't talk to commit to enter congress about what -- that you you know content that really bothered me it's part of the history and one of the few remaining. Statutes you know -- there is that there are reflective of the people who are deliberate. 47 -- how many -- years they have to live under shirt so I can't I can't get to their skin and see how -- upsetting it is to -- that. But for me it would spend more historical objects but the simple to an object that. It is part of history can't changed up until this sport is different place. Among all the other structures and to all the other extremist. Perhaps in some missed people who can Ukrainian history so. -- provocation to two territory. Well there there isn't breaking news in the last hour ago the president has said. That the -- is he he may send some negotiators back to the European Union to continue where they left off when he -- that unfortunately announcement. Is that some you believe. And yes I do I do -- I think that the the he. The signing date -- clear. That would be. How -- reaching deep economic and economic impact. That the signing of this deal would on the Ukrainian economy became more more -- And that was Polk brought it to be brought into focus into sharp sharp focus contract. -- abortion and the Russians were. I'm very hard on me Ukrainian and to sort of a lot of non current barriers. At the border and stop both of Ukrainian goods and metallurgical that the specifically and how would -- so processed foods. From Ukraine in two. Into Russia and state they came on told Ukrainian authorities could only get worse if Ukraine -- -- of the year agreement. But that and the Europeans with the Europeans were offering was more. He's here you know -- ether like it wasn't part what problems wasn't billions of dollars which is what he can which. Is what he Ukrainian government and he -- Ukrainian economy -- very much just a little. Long term good governance governance -- -- of the European assembly. All very good things all very desirable things and goals but and it was more situations like. What's in it for Ukraine today. Right right and so. So felt your final word is. To the Ukrainian families here in Western New York news that don't worry but keep your eyes on ranked. Don't worry keep your eyes open and I still believe that him. You know I've spent. Fifteen years in the former Soviet Union in Russia are projected starting and Ukraine. Vast majority department Ukraine Ukraine -- very European country. Eastern European. Reminds -- a lot of -- Slovakia and of the Czech Republic parts aren't right. In so it does belong to the community of European nations or whether it officially joined European Union or not. I was sitting in the coming years. But I think it's. It's inevitable -- And geography. Places that. In Europe and that's -- eventually end up whenever that is censorship is a member of the European Union or. -- spiritually and -- -- to your. Well listen Philip I know you've you've had a long week and and and bureau already meet Tuesday in and year sound. Well -- the weather is taken as tall one thank you very much for taking the time to talk to. Ukrainian American community in buffalo it means a lot to us and that's Phil Griffin ladies and gentlemen Phil Griffin is the director of government relations for Helen Olson. PB and in key of ukrainians on site on spot right there in -- -- down the road -- in square. Thank you very much so this is Michael Prudhoe I'm in for Tom Bauerle. 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Ukraine a friend of mine I know from my years in Russia and Ukraine. And things are afoot over there that are very worrisome. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Members of the Ukrainian American community here. In buffalo. It's upon it affects a lot of common -- issues -- afternoon and thank you. You might we got a bipartisan -- representation here Democrat Republican. Won an elected official the other one probably is too proud to be elected official. And if all the being an operative currently enjoy it I public servant right I keep telling people that if I ran for office much guilt and we're coming. Dancing out of the closet in the campaign and so I I want them. But it's the thought of him and you guys. Randy you you put together -- group to protest and you know in in unison in concert with. The people on might -- square on Sunday win their route anywhere depending upon what you leave my -- -- -- -- -- of thousands of people sail up to a million. Why does this concern news for him there. -- and growing up in my household. The was a filthy dirty word we never mentioned it Russia greatness -- that's exactly if that's my about a my -- alive -- -- -- with a wooden spoon right now. On the other person very strong enough feelings especially. When you go back to the that we -- -- -- -- going back in the early 1930s I mean my grandparents are teenagers when millions of ukrainians words were starved. Many -- by the Russian regime I mean the the Russian authorities controls salmon production in in one year and I believe it was 1931 -- They basically distributed about four point three million tons of wheat in the than -- -- -- seven point two million. Tons of -- next year for part three million times and millions of ukrainians. Start to get many compared to a genocide. And so there's very very visceral feelings within Ukrainian community when it comes to Russia. And just add to that India activists. And give us too much credit because a lot of the organization that your main rally last Friday orchestrated the leadership folks in the pro and cultural center right greatly. It is a wonderful place and that they'll be celebrating -- hundred anniversary next year structure so that the quite a few communities celebrate if you like Ukrainian food place. Always phenomenal and cheap so I got to greet dinner for eight bucks. Up with a group that I. How how long -- your parents have been in the United States I mean what I'm I'm I'm first in. Generation immigrant mother actually was a berliners German with German and it was Ukrainian the -- outside the and we grew up and most of us were activists now our offers generation. Americans. Grew up learning of them. Blogs this starvation the depravity the murder and how these people displaced people after the war. Came here for better. And I think step on and the campaign trail talked about like. How we've learned as youngsters how we used to watch political conventions and take part in politics and government. Because for them with such privilege to be in a free society be able to participate in. York. So. People middle agers now so to speak baby boomers to keep the -- afloat here buffalo. Do that honor their parents. For those that came here that sacrifice they gave us a better life and opportunity for life and that's why it resonates great to race to partner. Now it's. I'm gonna pronounces -- my wife is listening to crack -- later the whole lot more. The the starvation. That the horrible. Intentional starvation of the Ukrainian people perpetrated by the elections -- it's not a question it's -- it's happened the Russians have admitted to it. You know ma ma am my wife's family has experience and I'm excited to get off the year Mike ID -- my daughter alana after my wife's grandmother who survived that famine. And the reasons he's right she was in a very young girl I think -- you know six or seven. They had chosen to eat her the village and have resorted to. Eating people to survive and she had heard that she was once elected to be eaten -- she went and hid in her family's coverage for days until they found someone else to eat. Mean it's it's beyond horrific. To think and in the number's been debated how many millions of ukrainians -- -- in the genocide. Even during that time it was reported that a lot of the Soviet authorities. Even posted placards and posters against cannibalism. When they were starving our Ukrainian people in any such an impact on my -- to. Hearing the stories are from my grandparents again they survived. All that fan and I'll never forget. Being in in my Bob in my my grandmother's kitchen make my grandfather's house and how. Not saying. Was ever waste in their home. Ever right because of those harsh lessons -- Soviet regime in meeting the public official. One of the did. And I talked to illustrate my father voting for their fathers also Stephane senior. We have the same name so here my father -- in my comedy became citizens and in 2002 American citizens airborne how diets and Ukraine came over and 65. And I tell the story -- hide my father you know living under that they're ruled an iron fist he never would have had debt that freedom to -- vote the way that we do their free democracy. And how amazing this country is that he gets to go into a polling place not only cast a ballot the cast a ballot for his son and also with his same name. Right right and it'll get its. It was on it was on -- razors edge last week and in fact some people say this past weekend it was also raises it to mean. Two weekends ago they were beating the living tar out of people in the streets this weekend -- called which the president has been president for quite some time. Put orders out not to be on people and and and things went rather peaceably. What made you what makes you so concerned when you see these kinds of reports on -- What's fascinating about watching this unfold and even. Horse opened during this Orange Revolution in 2004. Is that social media and Twitter. And Internet are such a huge force. That I mean literally a foreign journalists gets whacked on the head is -- from the forehead we're seeing it instantly as it's happening. And -- that is something that. They really they can't put the toothpaste back in the ball and -- were there are some wonderful web sites one is key post dot com KK YIB post dot com. That's an English and literally has up to the minute moment of everything going on. And -- its interest in the last 24 hours. The government has now reacted there. By going to opposition parties and not but hats but take way their computers trying to solve and a key post was actually down this morning and put -- notice something it was a server should not say. Government action but now they're trying to silence that to keep the information well. In the information age as you know it can't be stopped and they have to now deal with -- political solution because it is just too robust it is worldwide. And going on -- And we're really proud of the -- of the railing on Friday again from duty fell from a Ukrainian Holland Genesee street the organizers I mean -- there -- folks -- from toddlers -- to probably people in their eighties. Supporting Ukraine in downtown buffalo. A long week I gotta tell you out there I felt -- my wife and I like OK we're going down -- got a picture you know and then. One too many diapers resourceful than and we didn't make it down but I saw pictures of it all though and it does it look like actually you guys were having fun. Being Ukrainian Indian support you one of them. What are the most touching moments of the whole rally was they had two very large flags when he Ukrainian flag and then an American flag. And it was touching for me because one of the gentlemen as part of the protest. He grabbed that American flag he -- we wanna make sure this American flag is in the front. So I think that's so important that we do have immense pride in -- Ukrainian heritage but also such deep appreciation. For. The freedoms and values found here in the United States of America. Well there's an act I I don't think there's no comparison I've I've traveled around a bit arts you know. There's no comparison to the pro American feelings of the Ukrainian American -- nothing like it in fact. My interest in communism might anti Communist views didn't just come from when I was in the military I got out I went to that you beat. I got involved and Republican organizations there and I met him a Ukrainian American man here who's gotta be fifty meters so now his name was nastier. I don't remember his last name I wish I do we used this. Had these long long conversation about politics he wasn't at the university can't dormant. I was inspired by him because she not only knew everything about communism. He knew everything about there. He knew of the constitution. He would quote it when he was talking about what was wrong with the with the with the malveaux former Soviet Union a credible America got me engaged. People in your community here are more in tune with this review what's going wrong. Yeah you know I was also fascinated when your -- on movement started. There was references to them to the Lenin statue which is about a block off independence square right. My first reaction was why is that statue even still standing and your previous guests brought that up right. -- that individual is such a symbol of murder and torture and genocide. And yet I would have thought when Ukraine when independent in 1991 that would effort in the first thing to go yeah and I totally suggests that the ukrainians over their perhaps you might when it -- sell pieces of it like the Berlin Wall because those will be treasured possessions. Worldwide. I'm sure there are to be installed and maybe that's where I'm absolutely certain listen we're gonna be right back with a -- on my island and court. Our representatives of the Ukrainian American community were talking about Ukraine were talking about the Euro might impress protest our numbers 830930. Start -- to get yourself on. This is Michael brutal in for Tom Bauer and news radio 930 WB and. We're practices Michael doing for. Tom hourly here. News review. 930 WB Ian I'm here with the pharma part and and cool what we're talking about Ukraine. There are a lot of things going on -- -- there's a protest in this century city of of Kia. And it's really it's really intense and Andrew you were telling us the story of a bit ago about how your roots go all the way back to. Even during World War II right I mean what's your your your great grandfather grandfather. Well actually it was my father who was medium teenager. Was I think sixteen or seventeen years old when the Germans. Came and occupied and you know made their march eastward to overall Ukraine. And what happened in those days is that the young people and those were able to work either forcibly conscripted into factories. Or they were forced into servitude to the German. So my dad was sent to the watch and assess the age of eighteen. He ran away from there and quickly joined Ukrainian underground and they were called Ukrainian insurgent army which was under the leadership of stuff I'm open era. Whose stature should be standing in place right -- right is already. And -- yankees' parade people basically fought the Germans. And bought the retreating Germans and fought the Soviets who came in with their own brand new pain and 45 despite what you see in the newsreels. It's a fascinating like these people and meet our growing up with when our car didn't work or ESPN was that was -- at etc. they endured incredible bravery and there are so many stories just here in the community buffalo these young man who did just that fought. For for Ukrainian -- and they live right here among -- And what happened a lot keep in mind especially in the western Ukraine a lot of people ended up those who survived that scattered and displaced during the war ended up in the west. And that when the US trying to displaced persons act in 1951 the DP so to speak a lot of poles ukrainians came here to live in America find life. And that's how my dad ended up on the -- -- to take a real quick traffic break -- will be right back on the -- our show. Are you right -- weather forecast. We have a lake effect snow advisory remains in effect from 4 PM this afternoon to 1 AM eastern time on Wednesday for northern Erie and Genesee counties we have only -- lake effect snow warning in effect from 6 PM this evening to 4 AM. Thursday for southern Erie Wyoming should talk for. And -- raucous counties. This is Michael who I mean for Tom hourly. I was off -- break this beat them back on Monday through Friday I'm sitting here with. On -- to cool both or Ukrainian Americans both. A long time residents of buffalo and we're talking about how this. Incredible democracy in action that's going on in -- right now how it's really concerning a lot of Ukrainian Americans here in buffalo and I we've we've interviewed somebody from Martin squared life and. He's saying -- things are calming down a little bit and and that families here in buffalo. Shouldn't worry so much for their relatives. Is that -- relief for you guys what proof is in the -- for a if it actually happens and the hope was not some terrible ploy to get people to leave the square to try to quell. Demonstrations on and you -- medical mean there's there's a huge Ukrainian. Community here in buffalo mean -- and I we have -- -- Nicholas. Churchill women Fillmore and -- there's a lot of people with genuine concern for friends and family back in Ukraine right now. Well I've I gotta tell you were Europeans from war out there we out. West that's -- mean that's that's pro European. Talk about Amber's family that's pro European. Ukraine but. Out east. That's about it hard -- Russian you can as you can imagine it's really countries with -- -- It's a lot like the US with the red states Blue States they're really and the more farther west you go farther nationalistic you are and he speak Ukrainian language and I was a teenager -- -- I -- lifetime experience and I visited. Number of cities in Ukraine and I was horrified to take a -- for a down from Kia. To the funeral. I'm sort of welcome to what -- rush of Genco was Ukraine's most noted poet and and patriot. And his -- -- which is his last will and testament was printed on his. Plaque in Russian. I think Iran suspending in his -- absolutely and she said something like well a lot of tourists come through here to accommodate them and it was all nonsense. I. There when they were being in the when it was part of union yeah absolutely and we were very carefully minded -- -- -- tourist -- I had to sneak out from the view to go to the village. And I kind of signed out that gains as well I'm gonna vote sightseeing by myself. And it was something out of a James Bond we had relatives it was a car waiting an Alley behind the hotel we took a circuitous route. And I travel 5000 Miles -- globalized fifties you the birthplace of my family is -- politics -- And the village was in order mind which is outside a better job and your turn opulence. It was a magnificent experience seeing my -- birthplace and seeing my grandmother was there at the time. And you know there is so much nationalistic spirit and its and that's really really bad. What's going to. Can I -- in western Ukraine as well and and they're just wrong. Ingrid visceral feelings when it comes to many in our Ukrainian community to the Soviet Union and that's why you see. Such strong reactions of course of the protests in Ukraine and they're they're protest we've had here in buffalo. Right I mean for the listeners were just catching up Ukraine. The rank and file ukrainians went to the streets and and marched on against the power there because the president had committed to joining the European Union and then at the last second so in fact we're gonna join the the -- they're that the new year Russian union which they think that trans year old -- Belarusian Russian right basically rejoin the so. And so everybody got. Upset and went industry. It's well in in -- such strong feelings again I mean I I just remember growing up in in the stories my grandmother would tell. The horrific stories weather wise the -- famine or you know my grandfather Ryvon hi Lou. Being forced to fight for Germany in that respect during the war and he's very very strong feelings. When it comes -- -- independents. And about the importance of freedom. Well I'll tell you thanks a lot Andrew -- -- and stiff -- -- -- move for coming in this is. Something that's near due to my revered figure to thousands of Western Europe -- -- who have so strong Tyson and and -- on all the way back. To the small villages Ukraine are I think we can all rest the movies maybe. But we got to keep -- and even though listen it's great to celebrate Nelson Mandela he was a man -- that the big life. But it not Ukraine out of the headlines don't be fooled folks the problems over there and you need to keep in mind. Thank you guys very much that are gonna stick around and talk politics with us this is Michael -- I'm in -- Tom -- here I'm not under review and I'm thirty WB --

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