And good afternoon it is -- -- on WB and I don't feel like talking about obamacare that I don't really talk about politics today I feel like talking about something that affected all of us here in Buffalo, New York a unique tragic shared experience. The horrible. Propane blast which killed five buffalo firefighters and two civilians believe it or not folks thirty years ago today. Let's go to Hamburg and done is on the line dom thanks for holding and what you have force. My ability. Well you know I'm -- -- reflective mood today. Well that's that's basically what I do until I was the captain and a TARP type. There during the attack. I am I again apologize that my skeptical that it may actually on duty hour ago so I thought I call that it my -- my story apartment. I wore the night before it to five that -- -- and Tuesday. And Tuesday I -- spotlight by someone to see Star Wars. -- -- -- When I was a lot about the show in the early evening a couple of guys that you were locked and Haitian Brothers big fire ball well. And I talked -- so you know you know -- do but I got home. But -- this camera and the scarier you know record some stocks that -- really really kinda disturbing so. I called this particular office there -- -- dispatchers. He said that I -- -- -- they actually probably what happened recently there. So I told my my case that double in but he could -- keeping that growth to. Supporters -- -- attempts sore -- and that that pulled up to the fire house. I notice that the you know. The speaker electrical next door entrance attic mystery all the windows blown out of what actually -- street and say except that I had no idea what an effort. And then this side of the -- 325. There's also some good. So it will work over to the the site to -- police officers as -- obviously and I actually like it was a typical sort of clarify it wouldn't it be a part. And I thought I bite your candy -- rhetoric -- -- cheap tickets which are difficult. So I got so silent walked up to the scene and as I walked up those street. And who is the chief of training was there a culture the area. A journal which is that journal that now. They like the that watches indicated whose work in and night and he -- subsidies -- deal was working as a journalist and complete it in the -- but they -- whose work. So with a lot of confusion actually it was at the scene who's -- -- rates. And got that locked up worksheets that I saw the devastation church I was covered with stop these students from optic proper commitment -- building facility. A radiator -- the pair laser construction whatever the the through the rig was who streak against the house across the street. It warns. Front. Cap was completely. Forced him into play it's 32 win against this decree. There was I the -- about his waist high in the streets. To be sure Washington. Mr. attack about to be in the some what but -- -- that is certainly. A little bit of rundown and -- is not a conspiracy. And that. That and they had no idea how the nature. Yeah -- who was there who could do it again guys were transported from the scene police car there are totally -- Just London hospital. In the department that they apparently hit it really accountability system so we really didn't know exactly who's who was there it was felt there was a couple of guys supposedly missy. From reports of guys got hurt. Then that would EST to do he -- a lot of off duty firefighters keep the public we don't. And job what we're doing news. Started to just a corporate sister she's a -- And obviously started working. A lot idols of the seven week in Brussels who. You know I mean and outside it's cold and then all of a sudden we got a -- picked up. Yeah so what happened it is this fire fighter and he -- He's so I'll let post columnist of the deep it's at least are doing it as eight a silt from the windows has been solid to Akron. There was sort of the upper torso sent. We put it looks an awful this is just to be so risky to lose their ticket to draws in this is an option we took. Tickets which Acosta. On -- the -- was standing right over as we are working at a meter record. It was quite a quite upset that he you know you don't see these guys -- that picture that -- Atlantic which are deceased who look at nobody else. And then the rest of the night basically you just from warmer and eventually figured out that it but he went and thought about it dissident circular -- That looked at the fire out for a few minutes you know just recollect. You know. And then at about 3 o'clock 4 o'clock I went home went home with a bad. I like talk to the first few minutes I could sleep for like ten minutes but he got up with respect for so. And that's basically where -- -- to rest of the day. Don and may I give your last name on the air. This is Don McPhee and that -- I have spoken on many occasions so I was a news reporters -- anything going out of the fire department and done you've always been a gentleman and a very. A font of information. And better for us and we certainly appreciate that. And what you did that night and you can imagine -- five. In the five guys who died instantaneously. Were in the were in five letter five and that. Just imagine letter five the force of the explosion as you put blew that truck 35 feet across the street. He would illustrate what quite remarkable that you're in this a serious note that the Japanese were going like how to activate it up there. In the latter was a flop you know and even at the camp which requires to decide -- that was all that -- and on you don't mean it was just like something got to like -- maybe it was just unbelievable I really this was like -- This is so somewhat -- that was really good. And although there's all kinds of buildings on fire a worker in the church don't others Libya. On the door site. Houses were -- installed whether you know it mostly developer page. Yes of guys all over. It's gone up can you tell us that just so I can give proper pronunciation to Tony's last name wash eleven. Wash a Levitt's. Wash however it's OK good because -- -- Carol and -- writing it down because I wanna make sure pronounce it correctly because of it was my dad and wanna make sure that his name was at least pronounced correctly but again in the radio. Yeah there's a couple of other interest -- things that happened down again a lot of times in our service and like everything else. If you're in the right spot a wrong step that retired -- you'll end up getting you know murdered. -- -- yes apparently. When we hit the optics in the -- site it was under apparatus that looked to -- still to this incident. Indo letter to which puts out our own our -- -- turned a corner closely in the small but they stopped they get back up -- And that they come down parent to north division street there were pulling a little bit so they came down our division. And they would have been there two to one the blast was right problem that this whole thing -- -- people that streak. And edit that intelligence agents -- and the rest you were coming from another direction. But I guess engines street supposedly slip through the intersection. And the rest stop behind them Seoul there was a little -- like packing up and turn around so and they they came in from the Al east side -- make it under the -- is just as Akamai on the -- explosion. -- these cheap I was already currency and I guess basically they're just leave the crucial to stand outside we are orders what we gonna do. -- -- -- -- in this socialist stories currently the chief. You know radio -- -- on the market some guy can run out of. We talk about Fred Langdon here or battalion chiefs up and. -- -- -- -- Like an incomplete reporting obviously you know leader called it. I'll ought against a guy ripped out of the ability in the civil it was going out of these policies for pages take leaking here and now the cheap yet. So little outside of the pieces as speaker apparently took -- -- on the street zealot would -- -- -- do anything it just looked and now. I guess they I think got -- of the way in it that way the guys -- -- standing wherever they were standing some home. We're standing between the building in their apparatus and those guys that extradite because they get pushed. They get -- to the apparatus and that the building chain behind the economy and then the guys that were standing between them -- only be open air or field. In the building they got listed in cents into the -- field. There are so burned some purpose here but she's circuitry to work without. Yeah you know what and I'm glad you mention that because. The information -- at eleven firefighters. Were. Critically some of them were critically hurt injured in the explosion and a whole bunch more were basically frost bit because it was a freezing cold. -- what is your what is your rank right now if you don't mind my asking. Division chief. Well sir I it I'm so happy that you -- You were on the scene story and you've painted a picture. That makes -- thank my audience feel as though they were -- year and how you can be so concise. With everything you have said that despite the emotion even going back thirty years ago. Is it is remarkable and I thank you for. Yeah well Peter and I hit you know around 8 o'clock on the cruise they'll stumble that are around that area -- of others and further away and then. A lot of the off duty guys on the news -- recharged in in this on the -- numbers coming in -- the leaders. There's not there's not a big deal we just to get together and about it beat its share mortars like but. They -- each other talk to each other and and -- that the -- that the precise time -- at the steps so that owns in the nickel state and then there's so you've been to ensure ever since you know ever since incidents so. And it brings together now most of the time mostly guys that are actually on the job at that scene at that at the and the recording service a lot of talk that. -- irony some of the leaderboard so we just try to keep that -- -- -- but the image that's just who these guys agree there's a lot of guys that that that the -- and here's that department over 100 guys in the for the same apartment that's quite a bit I mean they're prepared to you know the Turkey who. You know considered a few years ago use that -- is you know again pretty dramatic but you know everybody we're just trying to keep regret because a lot of guys that. -- remembers it weren't ever hope you guys over the years that I've known as -- -- reform they don't. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Well I I. Well I -- I am very very grateful that you've kept the memory alive of that night and I thank you very much -- for a were calling and thank you bring. Up. Folks that's what the show is all about. Is remembering that night and remembering the lives that were lost that night a five brave. Buffalo firefighters to civilians in the 500. Pound propane tank explosion. Which when it went off folks all I can say is it was like a Bob as many people have described it and in addition to the -- five firefighters and the two civilians. There were eleven who died there were eleven firefighters who were injured in the explosion some of them critically. And I don't know this for a fact but I would bet that some of them are walking around today with the scars in May be some shrapnel still in their bodies. I have no Korean war veterans who've been walking around for decades which shrapnel from the 1950s. So given the force of that blast it wouldn't surprise me -- ball. And nineteen firefighters. Frost -- And 150. Plus civilians. Were hurt in this blast. That's why I am taking today to remember that -- thirty years ago and those of you who weren't born yet. Please understand. I mean I know that for you 9/11 was one of the benchmarks of your life as it is mine but in buffalo locally. This was a tragedy of epic proportions. And you know what the feeling was talking about try to all get sleep. If you have ever lost somebody on the job. No matter what you do for a living. You know what that's like and we lost it WG RR traffic reporter and his pilot. Michael Osmond and that the pilot's name was cool. And -- The instant reaction of all of us was to go to the radio station that we -- the crash took place in the river but we went to the radio station. Nobody slept that very very little sleep. Because you felt like has done -- yet to be at the radio station I mean that's where everybody gathered because you need to be around people understand the situation. And it it's that way with cops it's that we with firefighters. Win when you lose a man or woman on the job. You are expected. Maybe it's it's the on its code of honor of those who protect and serve us it is the code of honor that when they lose one. They all on duty off duty vacation. They are there to be with their Brothers and sisters. It's a special camaraderie. That I think very few people can appreciate who have never been in in those lines of work. And again if you are buffalo firefighters. And said many -- you were even alive. When this happened micro. Was not alive when this happened and and help I'm not saying that some derogatory way at all it's just that. In a world port at different times and this was area. This was a real black day. The explosion took place what about 7:30 in the evening. The initial call came in just after seven of a propane leak. And what really struck me about the on the view -- call was the fact that the other apparatus gets stuck in the snow bank and had it not been for that. The death poll a buffalo firefighters probably would have been significantly. Higher. So even in the face of tragedy. You can find it Sama. Good to on two which you can hold. And that. I got an email. I referenced earlier the Pillsbury explosion in my family playing a role in Manhattan obviously somebody had to send -- its -- email. The day it blew up. My father worked at a place called Higgins directors and haulers. And it was very close to the Pillsbury plant is located. And it was Sunday afternoon my dad got the call from his boss. Basically saying you need to bring as many batteries and as many flashlight as you can to the scene. So my dad and my mom went to Kmart I think that what every flashlight in every battery in Kmart and falls boulevard and then dashed down to the scene. To help in the ER recovery situation or at least drop off the materials. For the recovery situation. And many don't know this but. If you put a pound of a flower. Just how to -- -- if you disperse that in the air and it ignites. It's like -- it is like a -- and that's what happened at Pillsbury. No firefighters died but civilians. And that also with the black day in several people have sent me emails saying -- don't forget the continental plane crash in that Nepal New York. And I think it's in the poll somebody's accurately from incorporate them but of course we've had like thirty for a seven. Which again is one of those benchmark days of tragedy in our community. And today we commemorate. The five firefighters who died the two civilians who died. -- the blackest day in buffalo fire department history and I wanna pay tribute today to those were in that line of work. I wanna say a sincere and honest thank you for what you do yes I know you get a paycheck and you get attention but. It's a job very few people -- cut out for. And if you do it I think your special person you're -- this is WB EN. So -- don't and don't condone building. -- If you can name that band to consider yourself an eighty's music -- I joke -- before I said to the email. Did you know the name of the band yes -- now be up if you did it split ends now can you tell -- the country where it's split a split ends originated. New Zealand. Stock. Are right now back into serious mode and I don't wanna be -- But at the same time I wanna be respectful. Of the people who died thirty years ago today in the worst single great tragedy. In modern buffalo fire department history. And that was the propane explosion and were division street. And again folks every generation. Just we of people tuning in all the time. Every generation. Has it local tragedy that stands out in the year -- if you lived in buffalo in the 1850s. Folks buffalo used to be the place from which immigrants left to go to America's heartland to start farms and the easiest way to get. From buffalo to -- From buffalo to Detroit buffalo to Chicago was by bolt passenger ships on the Great Lakes. And there were two or three major. Disasters. We're boats that came from buffalo. Caught fire works bloated. In -- here. Obviously we don't remember those. Because time is passed. And other tragedies have some planted those in our collective recollections. Of tragedies in buffalo. But you think about the history of the city. The assassination of president William McKinley. There are only three cities in the United States which you've witnessed presidential assassinations. Dallas Texas buffalo new York and Washington DC. Ponder that for a moment. We also. Of course had many men and women who went off to war who did not come back. We've had plane crashes the continental crash in the poll why New York that's lays the -- like New York. Obviously the crash of flight 3407. The Pillsbury explosion I mentioned earlier. -- all explosion the Cleveland hellfire. These incidents and these tragedies. -- starting in about 1950 years ago. There are still people alive. Who remember vividly. Delusional blessed and -- one. Who remember. With emotional and physical scars the school fire. And of course today. The buffalo fire department. Remembers thirty years ago. And to those of you who are on the job and you know you might be 293035. Years old you don't know these guys. You work really. Alive or aware of what was going on when you were little boy or little girl but you knew that something bad that happened but. Try to put it in the context of a three year old brain doesn't work out very well. But if you are on the job as a fire department employee a firefighter. Please believe me that all of Western New York -- With the buffalo fire department. And those of us were still here who remember that night. We continue. To grieve. Fortunately for most of us the thirty years have taken some of the sting away. The immediate sting of that tragedy the bite of the tragedy. Nonetheless. It is emotional. It's emotional for me and I was an on the job. And as working radio and I had people calling in to tell me what they were seeing. But. All -- office. I think in this area. I think we owe a debt of memory. To those who died in those were on the scene that might try to help. Fire commissioner Fred Langdon that he probably was in a few foot after a few minutes away from may be being right at ground zero. Think about that government. Could aloft a fire commissioner capital Austin mayor mean there's so many things that could have happened. And despite the great tragedy. They're always things that could have made it worse. But if you're a family member of any of these folks I have mentioned and you would like to just. Put us behind the scenes with your family. To give us a little more. -- and ball a little more. Inside view of what it was like to live through it. Can you imagine being the wife -- the girlfriend with a child of -- fire fighter that night. And you knew something tragic had happened. And -- hadn't heard. From your loved one. And you knew that your loved one would have been called to the scene. Waiting for the phone call from that person to say hey I'm OK don't worry about -- or worse. The car pulling up in front of the house. -- I get emotional thinking about that folks I'm sorry that sometimes I'm a little bit mystified. But above all human beings and when tragedies like that hit a they do affect me. I'm not trying to make myself part of the story. As so many media people try to do. Because this tragedy affected everybody. My only role in it was to be a talk show host taking phone calls that night. The heroes are the buffalo fire guys and the civilians who died. And of course it was gross human negligence and error which led to this tragedy is so often is the case. -- folks I'm sorry I'm talking too much let me get back to the calls on a WB -- here is Angie in that lack of one Angie thank you for calling. -- -- -- -- The part that tactic here loudly and clearly murdered. Kate great. And I am on the mother of firefighter Jonathan -- Home. 82009. My deepest sympathies. -- and I did I detect and weak angle from where -- listened -- -- -- the -- -- when I heard this topic that you weren't today agents. It is time it took -- all their you know warriors well. True on our tragedy -- Wanted to give my thoughts on that because you just made a statement about how. What it would feel like should be the wife the daughter of the child there. The girlfriend. Of both firefighter. I'm the mother of a firefighter. And I didn't have that -- -- across my line. And I will tell you bet it's something that you never aggregate over there are family members out there. Yet are still hurting is -- going to be very very hopeful reminder. Yes I am very happy here in nineteen communities at our firefighters every day. Go out there and some of them don't come back home. Oh you know right a I mentioned. The tragedy involving your son a little bit earlier and you know there's a part of me. And I hope and -- not gonna bring it down but there's a part of me that these bitter and angry about that. Because. Your son was trying to save somebody. And there wasn't even anybody to be saved. And that to me just if it breaks my heart in at the same time it also you know gets my testosterone pumping with just anger. That they were there to save somebody and there wasn't anybody they year. Yeah that's -- but I think in Paris they can't be skeptical at what. Let -- -- Into reality. My son when it saves. Player right McCarthy. Who had fallen into the basement. And hurt -- cried for how they act like my unmanned into the building. I did not know. Know that you're you're son I remember the coverage about your son of buffalo firefighter Jonathan -- correct. And he was a remarkable. Young men can you tell us just. You know I know you're the mom but there have got to be things and and by the way closure. You're never -- I mean you can just for those who don't get this. Related debt. Or something -- Internet users who has. People who have lots I'm on a quote that a lot closer if you're right I think what happens as time goes on you learn to continue to live. -- -- -- That kind of get used to the fact that this person is not fair everyday you're not talking to them and can't reach out to them. You build a different light at the different doors that open. But definitely not cloture and being the holiday served for anyone that has lost someone is always -- reminder of debt and a person that you love so much it's not there anymore. -- my problem with the very simple very happy I'm here in the lobby. Spirited person -- mean Egypt's. You live for today theory. Adventurous. Fearless I mean that's why he became awful -- I didn't expect -- I remember tying him telling people like work tournament that I -- not being. But what he does when he goes to work. Because I was a lot of golf. And I do believe a lot of families to take yet in your heart deep it doubled and don't wanna not -- logistics of the app. -- -- -- When you're doing 812 hour overnight -- that's. And I I -- with an emergency nurse for most of my career and I remember telling him and I were top a lot of pop -- and -- -- that he would. The column that he would make because they do -- -- at -- and they do everything they answer you know I was particular. Accident will answer fire ha they end up kind of thing you know we would talk a lot and I'll. What they did you know I would say to him you know. I don't wanna pull out there and get somebody out of a second Storey building to try and bring them without carrying out here and on itself like because I can't do. I'm -- wanted to run and they run and and weeks yet. Iraq -- -- everyday ordinary to. We cannot yet -- -- that an exit thing that we can't get in or has that these guys. Who in their everyday. And I can -- phrase that more you know especially because my son it gives the option -- He did and -- you know what I'm so glad you clarified that and I'm going to try to retrain my brain. To understand your son went into the building to save lieutenant Charles McCarthy. He did not go in with a lieutenant McCarthy he went in to save his lieutenant and I again I I know I'm. Your son. Has a son your grandchild he never had a chance to meet. How old is Ingrid his fiance and and how how little boarded. You know what I'm -- they live in Canada. On their -- that can be expected at this point argued that he didn't. But I'm 12 weeks after its. You know and he has or grout who oh and I would just turn on five -- actually I've been -- but she was watching. With the bureau at the time that my son -- Well I -- the children. Unfortunately. There -- certain that singled out there mixing it great at everything a great hired out of what should be a normal life. I think it's the same time. I think both of us yet. -- for his dad and myself. Well actually raised -- I think increased for the little bit harder in -- -- -- it's something that you plant manager of the parents. And those that weren't there and -- -- that weren't there any mention how my ticket get together there on division street either of these firefighters will do basically the same thing. -- 24 of -- from my upper right on him return and the currency because it's so important that you remember it probably the most important thing get. Q what do you know how how history is there for -- now predicts that for -- to learn what the same thing with the tragedy. You can't do not forget. And that is so beautifully phrased and you have is the two other sons and correct. And when you guys when you guys get together on Christmas or work Christmas Eve. Is it of some comfort to you have to be able to talk about fallen firefighter her son Jonathan courtroom with his Brothers. Your son's. I mean -- it's it's that we don't wait till Christmas see the talk about it talk about them all the time and it's bittersweet I mean there's times that we laugh and cry at the same time because he was on. Thought in my I could do it he didn't have been on the billboard. And it wasn't. It was a different not they -- he truly was a very. Gary I'm spirited. Funny. Person and so that there's a lot of stories that we shared something that will call each other back and forth like that analysts say you know. I'm I called my on them both you know make my Gabriel congress from New York -- -- mean I was just thinking about sending you know local picnic -- itself. It's bittersweet but the reality especially you know I I still have a backing from my son -- -- -- we believe that. I do believe that that's beautiful. Yeah yeah because it might still celebrated birthday in and I mean certain things just. -- -- So for me personally that's the way I want to remember and I want -- scary like I'm with me because I don't wants you. He should just pretend that it didn't happen he wasn't there at its most people now actually. Area liberal tradition and remember in their own way so I mean did -- missed him very much they are very close and and it it's we're very bad at the same time. Right from the date yet I I without. Yet the accident happened and when it without you majestic -- that set about how it happened and it took quite -- few months to get an investigation thoroughly cleaned up -- for the story that actually come to light. I was not surprised I was not surprised that my son hurt by extra help. And that he didn't hesitate. Every picture I ever saw one of your son he had -- -- get a smile on his face he. And this is and I hope I'm not taking liberties with the truth here but. But it seems to me. That he died doing what he loved it to do I don't think I've ever seen pictures of a guy who looked more happy at work. Then your son. It was he yet he was very proud of what he's dead you have been very very proud firefighters and I think most firefighters are. They're very I was surprised yet I I'd probably became a little bit closer to the fire department at the -- will -- Why my concept for Frankfurt. Last but what exact because Japanese built because -- -- -- before that it's my -- in -- it was somebody you know we talked about work or where it's it's. You know what the whole encompassing thing. But afterwards I really -- make -- why -- well. What my candidate who surrounded by what he expectations Gloria why. This scene that happened I mean what what circumstances. Leading up to. So we're very important for me to investigate out of that -- and in doing so I can see that. It's in the community and no matter where you go out. -- firefighters. Well done well are very proud of what they do they're very. In very -- They're the strongest moment being that I know. And they they do have a loyal commitment to each other into the community and to their family so I mean I never realized that. Marcel. Afterlife contests and -- now than I did before. Angie I am I'm very honored that you called and I am very. Delighted that you you gave us more information about another fallen firefighter from 2009. Two reminders that it's not just the name is not just -- plaque this was a real living smiling human being who gave his life to try to save another. And I do thank you for calling and believe me I think many of us understand that closure is a Mitt. This thing may go way but the book is never close. That's and I think he turned -- her first remembering. I'll also firefighters pulled into the -- like it -- Well thank thank you -- I appreciate that but the these guys you know their figures and I wanna give them -- do. Thirty years later and in the case of -- four years later. By the way a reminder that the bills game will be heard it here on WB and because there is a scheduling conflict with the Buffalo Sabres so you got the sabres. Our WGR 5:58 am and he got the bills right here where you're -- is at this moment 9:30 AM WBE. Scheduling conflict. I got that right denying the bills here yeah okay thank you now because you're looking at me and thank him that I just screw up the memo. It has hourly and -- folks please understand that. I. Just doing my job. One of the things that. I've tried so desperately. To be especially in the last five years or so is it is genuine. And if I don't show likeness in early show I do. I don't -- if I'm acting I will tell. This is sincere this is heartfelt. In this is my community this is where I was born and raised. And when I think back -- or thirty years ago. Today. 30 years ago this evening. You know be in this. Young ignorant talk show host. And the impact. Of the people who call my show from everywhere. Who would felt or heard the explosion. Hit it it hasn't gone away and I'm stunned that it's been thirty years later. And I wanna thank Jonathan Cruz mom for calling him. Folks when when you guys trust me like that to tell me these stories. And and to call them. About your loved ones. Who have passed in the line of duty. You have no idea. How much I value that trust. That you -- me. To not be a whole although. That means so much. And there's not a day that goes by it right ever take that for granted in it really comes home. I've never talked and you before that I remember. And then she called and about her son Jonathan for who died with the lieutenant McCarthy. And up by the way Claudine Ewing who is one of my favorite media people ever she works -- channel two is a reporter she did a beautiful followup piece. Jonathan crohn's beyoncé. And his so here's his newborn son. And you can look it up online it's just it's a beautiful place and quality is quite frankly. She needs to be at a network because she's Smart. She's brilliant she's incisive which you have to be and she is. Delicate when she has to be and there's a real art to that. And believe it or not folks Claudine -- started out I think is an overnight in turn here at WBN. And then as she got on the year she was amazing and that she went to TV. And what I love about Claudine is she is real she's genuine and when she does apiece as she did on Jonathan -- The sincerity just shines through. Because I'm sick of them. I I personally have had it with a phony society. And with the word it made up yesterday sure eatery -- sure artery. I like real people and I like hearing from I am honored that that Jonathan rooms mom called him. And it does my heart good when I see other media people who get it. That you gotta consider human beings first. 456 at WB and were remembering five buffalo firefighters to civilians who died in one of the worst days. Of modern buffalo history. The propane explosion. On north division street thirty years ago today do you believe.